Just ackleyize or RCBSize it (ask Kenny Jarrett about the .280 RCBS and be ready to get a lecture)and you'll never need a magnum rifle. Neck: 8.6mm 5. Mag. It performs almost as well as the 7mm Rem. I have shot and owned several 300s but about a year ago I started shooting a 280. The 7x57mm Mauser—a cartridge that initially set the military world on its ear, and later became the darling of sportsmen around the globe—brought us a selection of bullets that were perfectly adaptable for hunting game animals from the common deer species up to the big cats, and during the ‘experimental phase’ of cartridge development, the pachyderms. Realistically, the damage was probably already done. In my mind, a hunting rifle should give you a lifetime of accurate use, unlike a competition rig where you expect to regularly wear out barrels. It is quite easy to see that the 7mm Remington Magnum case is considerable larger than the .280 Ackley Improved, and with velocities running this close, you can infer that the .280 Ackley is a much more efficient design. I considered the 7mm remington mag, but then was told the .280 is basically the same caliber. I think it is the ultimate smaller big game caliber. Looking at it from a technical perspective, the .280 Ackley Improved is a much better design in that it runs on less powder, yet offers a performance level comparable to the 7 Mag. It is the favorite hunting cartridge of Jim Carmichel, longtime Shooting Editor at Outdoor Life, used for an amazing variety of game. Realistically, one could split the difference and choose a .280 and have the best of most worlds-but it’s pretty difficult to love the .270, the .30-06, and the .280! Yes, I know, it sounds silly, but it happened. With the current popularity of beltless cartridges, I think you’ll see the .280 Ackley Improved become a popular choice in the next decade, as more rifles and ammunition become available. It’s a great cartridge saddled with an unfortunate legacy. We've got you covered.• .404 Jeffery vs. .416 Rigby• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Creedmoor• .300 PRC vs. .300 Win. Re: 280 rem vs 7mm mag [Re: BobinNH] #3507740 11/24/09: Joined: Dec 2003. Mag., 7mm Weatherby Mag., .275 H&H Mag., 7mm Dakota, 7mm STW and 7mm Rem. Hunters lined up to buy Big Green’s hot new metric while the .280 was largely forgotten. Mag. The .280 is an excellent choice! If you are torn between choosing a .270 Winchester or a .30-06, then the .280 might be exactly right for you. The only ammo you can buy for it will be labeled 280 Remington unless it's old stock. Mag., which was a step up in power above the .280 although it produced more recoil and burned more powder. An argument in support of the 7mm Remington Magnum over the .280 would sound a lot like an argument supporting the 30-06 as significantly better than the .308. There were no factory 175 grain loads on the market at publication time, otherwise the.280 might have scored higher..280 Remington As standard cartridges go, the .280 Remington has one of the oddest histories. I normally hunt between 100-200 yards but want the ability to reach out and touch something as well. Mule Deer Cartridge Showdown: .270 Win. There different ways to look at it. Neck: 8.0mm 5. If I need more than the 7 STW I go to the .375 Weatherby. By Ron Spomer. Remington also simultaneously released the now-famous Model 700 rifle; the two fit like a glove, and while I don’t feel the 7mm Remington stole much of the thunder of the .300 Winchester Magnum, which came along the next year, it certainly shoved the .264 Winchester Magnum off the stage. SAUM, 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08 Rem., 7x64mm Brenneke, .284 Win., .280 Rem., 7mm Rem. Today, the .280 … It’s easy to see that the 7mm Remington Magnum has a huge following, having been commercially available for nearly 60 years, and it’s a good hunting cartridge. It shoots flatter than the .30-06, so is probably an ideal compromise between the two, at least on game up to elk in size. Although Remington had the best intentions, efforts to renew interest in this cartridge may well have backfired. Remington’s “Seven Mag” … I traded my.30-06 years ago for a Ruger M77.280 Rem. Somewhere in between are the 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08 Remington, 7x64 Brenneke, .284 Winchester, .280 Remington, and the standard length 7mm Remington and 7mm Weatherby magnums. Mag. it doesn't get the press that it so rightly deserves. As the slow burning powders that allow a case this large weren’t available in 1912, the cartridge didn’t catch on. These last two remove the body taper, thus increasing powder capacity, and they are indeed every bit as fast as the 7mm Remington Magnum. Here we have a pair of all-around 7mm cartridges which may be closer in performance than you think. Neither cartridge is a high pressure cartridge - the .280 Rem is rated for 60,000 psi MAP while the 7mm RM is at 61,000 psi. Ackley’s designs. Something is telling me to keep the 29" as 7MM Mauser. The 280 AI is not the equal of a 7MM Rem Mag. The 280 used to be called the 7mm Express, but is now called the 280. Mag. If you reload, and you are reloading for hunting, maybe you want to get another 7 mag. This was fixed many years ago. The 7mm Remington Magnum rifle cartridge was introduced as a commercially available round in 1962, along with the new Remington Model 700 bolt-action rifle.It is a member of the belted magnum family that is directly derived from the venerable .375 H&H Magnum. By Chuck Hawks . These things are correct, and yet the cartridge has never been especially popular. I was thinking of having an array of 7MM's. I would go with the 7mm Remington Magnum, just because of the ammo/brass problem. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. The .280 Remington retains the gradual taper and gentle shoulder of the .30-06, and even with the best loads will lag a bit behind the 7mm Remington Magnum. However, I also feel the .280 Ackley Improved suffers from ‘not-enough-rifles’ syndrome, though it seems that is beginning to change. Rifling Twist: 1:9 to 1:10 3. Wincehster not wanting to be left behind came out with a 7mm WSM which will eat a barrel even faster, but Remington recaptured the 7mm bore eroder title with the 7mm Rem Ultra Mag. One of the barrels, a new old stock, is 29". KJG Munition. Plinker Said it well! Both, along with so many other .280 fans, will tell you that it is the best cartridge we have based on the .30-06 case. Although it was quickly adapted to bolt action rifles (first Remington’s Model 721, then others), savvy riflemen understood from the beginning that it was primarily a handloader’s cartridge. i think the .280 Rem' is probably the most underrated Big Game cartridge for North American hunting. I’ve been spending some time with a new Savage rifle in .280 Ackley Improved, and have loaded and shot a whole bunch of 7mm Remington Magnum, and can attest to the fact that the .280 AI offers a significant reduction in recoil. Typically, a rifle magazine that can hold 4-5 .270 or .280 cartridges will only be able to hold 3 7mm Remington Magnum cartridges. Ackley would improve cartridges as small as the .22 Hornet and .218 Bee, up through the .30-30 and .30-’06, up to the .338-’06, with his own designs running up to the .475 Ackley Magnum. The 7mm Express Remington was nothing more, and nothing less, than the .280 Remington with updated factory loads. I have owned both and while the .280 AI can come close to the 7mm Magnum it isn't one. Friday, May 3, 2019. w/ less cost/recoil. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. Current factory loads aren’t any hotter than any other American factory loads, but they are pretty darned impressive. the 7mm Remington Magnum is the most popular magnum cartridge in the world for a reason. It is a handloader's cartridge. But I have used the cartridge a fair amount over the years. It truly does combine some of the best attributes and capabilities of both great cartridges-and that’s saying quite a lot! Mag. The ‘Ackley Improved’ cartridges have a fervent, if small, following in the hunting and shooting community. The belt is irrelevant, especially in a good rifle like a Cooper. Just by luck of the draw I’ve mostly used it for deer, both whitetail and mule deer, and it’s a great deer cartridge. Ateam: I have Hunted with both a 280 Remington and a 7mm Remington Magnum for a LONG time now. October 2, 2019. The unsupported case head ruptured and ruined the gun. The 7mm Rem Mags are hard on barrels as are the 7mm RSAUMs. The 7mm uses the 8400 action which is beefier. I have a Remington .280. But nobody seemed to care. Mag., doesn’t need a .280, but if you are looking for a cartridge with accuracy, reach, power, and manners, there are few better choices than the .280 Remington. Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. The 7mm Remington Magnum was introduced in 1962 along with the new Remington Model 700. Rem Mag, and until recently the belief has always been bigger is better. Timing was perfect, as both were conducive to period trends by U.S. shooters and hunters, and sales soared. Along with lots of choices for ammunition, there is an abundance of great hunting rifles produced by nearly every big firearms manufacturer chambered in 7mm Remington Magnum and .300 Winchester Magnum. So, which comes out on top? Royce. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore. The 280 gets you a lighter rifle and uses less powder to get close to 7mm velocities. I like the 280 AI from a case design standpoint. Mag. I want a different caliber that is versatile for deer but can also be used for larger game. Yet it has never been and probably never will be anywhere close to as popular as either… nor is it anywhere near as popular as the 7mm Remington Magnum. Conceptually think of the 7mm Rem Mag as a … (7x57mm, 7mm WSM, 7mm Rem. Its beginnings provide a partial answer. In order to ensure reliable functioning they needed to keep the pressure down, so for quite a few years factory loads were purposefully mild and didn’t reflect the cartridge’s full potential. On a couple of other points that people have brought up in posts: Norma is not going to produce .280 AI ammunition. Hunting. The 7mm Magnum has a reputation for accuracy that the .280 doesn't share. Only negative is I can't buy ammo for her @ Walmart. Kenny Jarrett saw the wisdom of the cartridge long ago, and in addition to the Nosler and Hornady loads, Federal has just announced that they’ve added the cartridge to their lineup this year. I love the 7mm. Steve Hornady of Hornady Manufacturing has used it to take the majority of the mountain game he loves to hunt. That's why I have two 280 AI's and sold my last 7mm mag. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … I am having a hard time deciding on having it built in 280 rem or 300 win mag. I also got a 7Mm Remington magnum 26". R. Royce. Yet, for now, the wide variety of 7mm Rem. It is based on just one of several “7mm-06” wildcats, others including the .280 Ackley Improved and 7mm JRS. The 280 Remington is overbore. vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. The .280 Ackley Improved is—you guessed it—the .280 Remington with the taper removed and the shoulder angle revised to 40 degrees. Campfire Guide . The difference is minimal, much like the comparison between the .308 and .30-06, and with the proper shot … Whether under the metric moniker, or under the .275 Rigby name, that cartridge put a whole lot of animals in the salt. I use the 7 STW. Latest. The rifle was a Colt-Sauer, and it vented the hot gases down and out, with no injury to the shooter-but it was a sobering experience. The big difference is case capacity - about 67 grains for the .280 compared to about 83 for the 7mm RM. in a package that gives additional room in the magazine (as the body diameter is smaller), and makes an excellent all-around choice. Definitely not 7mm Remington Magnum if that's what you're thinking of. The .280 Remington shoots about as flat as the .270 Winchester. The .280 has spent most of its life pinched between the popular .270 and the 7mm Remington Magnum, and it competes against several other commercial 7mms as well: the blazing fast 7mm STW and 7mm Remington Ultra Mag and the low-recoiling 7mm-08 chief among them. Some extremely knowledgeable riflemen will continue to choose the .280, but there’s another more casual group that needs to give it a look. Tha… The Union Sportsmen’s Alliance is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization with a mission to unite the union community through conservation to preserve North America’s outdoor heritage. In 1979 they did rename it to 7mm Express Remington, with both rifles and ammo on the market for a brief period. In the Kimber the action for the 280 ai is the 84l. vs. .300 Win. Campfire Guide. However, I love the .270 Winchester for its flat-shooting capabilities in open country…and I love the .30-06 for its heavier bullets and tremendous versatility. The .284/7mm cartridge clan has become second in numbers only to the .30 caliber cartridges in North America. Standard loads today include a 140-grain bullet at 3050 fps, 150-grain bullet at 2890 fps, and 165-grain bullet at 2820 fps. Comparing the .270 with the 7mm Remington magnum is like comparing grits and white cornmeal. The .280 Remington retains the gradual taper and gentle shoulder of the .30-06, and even with the best loads will lag a bit behind the 7mm Remington Magnum. The added advantage of less recoil than the 7mm Remington Magnum is icing on the cake, and it will easily take any North American game, given proper shot placement and load. That's all I can think of off the top of my head It is quite easy to see that the 7mm Remington Magnum case is … So I don’t. In 1980 the designation went back to .280 Remington, and it keeps rolling along, never a superstar but always a solid performer. It has never had enough sales to support an extensive variety of factory loads, yet those who use it generally swear by it. The 280 is basically a 7mm-06 if that helps you think about the cartridges potential. Corbett took man-eating tigers, Bell collected hundreds of pounds of ivory, and those are just two examples of the famous hunters; in the hands of the colonialists, the 7mm bore diameter put meat on the table for decades. Von der Leistung einer Patrone meint er in der 280 Rem Ackley Improved die Ideale Mittelpatrone gefunden zu haben. Just shot my 280 last week with 175 Bergers and @ 2850 fps AND 1/2" MOA it's a WINNER. PS PS GANZ GANZ WICHTIG WICHTIG Möchte niemanden sein Gewehr Kaliber madig machen. I have been using a 140g bullet and I have had great results with accuracy. Old School Is The New Cool: Traditional Bowhunting. Your email address will not be published. We put 3 popular cartridges to a head-to-head-to-head test. Let’s face it, a hunter who owns a .270, .30-06, or 7mm Rem. It wouldn't even fit in the chamber. 7mm mag fires the same weight bullets a couple hundred feet per second faster. And Oh Ya, the 280 Ackley Looks cooler too! Then in 1962 Remington introduced the 7mm Rem. This question developed in the (recent) past between a friend and I. My Model 110 rifle is light and accurate, and feeds like a dream in spite of the 40-degree shoulder. Mag. but with much less recoil and powder. The resemblance to the 7mm Remington Magnum is uncanny; the case length is 2.50 inches, the base diameter and belt is the same, but the .275 H&H has a bit more body taper than does the 7mm Remington Magnum. Parker O. Ackley was a gunsmith who developed a reputation for improving the design of a good number of our classic cartridges by removing body taper or increasing the shoulder angle, or both, in order to give greater case capacity. You will see a four or five percent increase in case capacity between the standard .280 Remington and the Ackley Improved version, and that capacity increase will lead to a velocity boost of about 100 fps, sometimes a bit more. This resulted in people confusing it with the 7 mm Remington Magnum , and Remington changed the name back to .280 in 1981. Our Obsession with Greenheads Is Ruining Duck Hunting as We Know It. Lutz Möller 7 mm Rem. I like the 280 AI from a case design standpoint. R. Joined: Dec 2003. Both have been popular from their inceptions. The Contestants. There were a few instances of 7mm Express Remington (.280) cartridges being fired in 7mm Remington Magnum chambers. That's just another inigma to me. Rifling Twist: 1:10 3. A careful study of ballistics of both the.270 and.30-06 shows the.280 (7mm) as being superior to both. It is thus almost a cult cartridge, supported by a relatively small group who worship at its shrine. There is a wide array of 7mm contenders, from the effective 7x57mm Mauser to the new 7mm WSM and 7mm Remington SAUM. Are you getting an idea know what each one brings tot he table in terms bolt face, cartridge length and diameter, powder capacity, overall length etc??? I use the 7 STW. Posts: 4,858. zip code 59602. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bullets—just faster. It is an accurate cartridge, and still ranks high in the sales figures of ammunition companies each year. By the mid 1960's the .280 was available in all of Remington's action configurations however the cartridge still failed to gain attention. vs. .300 Win. Mag. Both are excellent cartridges. It was Winchester who brought a trio of 2.50-inch magnums on the scene in the 1950s, in .458-inch, .338-inch and .264-inch, Norma brought out a .308-inch variety in 1960, and Remington brought out the 7mm in 1962. There is a wide array of 7mm contenders, from the effective … Nosler and Hornady load both 7mm Remington Magnum and .280 Ackley ammunition; looking at their data you’ll see a difference of 90 to 100 fps between the two, with the belted 7mm Magnum giving the higher velocities (with a 162-grain Hornady ELD-X, the 7mm Mag. Fans of the .270 stayed with the .270, fans of the .30-06 stuck to the .30-06 while 7mm fans chose either the compact 7mm08 or the highly emphatic 7mm Remington Magnum or the later 7mmWSM. ammunition gives it the definitive edge. Posts: 4,858. zip code 59602. Like Steve Hornady and Jim Carmichel, I’ve taken it sheep hunting, and it’s well-suited to that role as well. For longer ranges I prefer the extra 200-300fps the 7mm RM provides. It took until 1962, when Remington released their 7mm Magnum, for this design to catch on, but it caught like wildfire. Looking at the velocity difference between the two cartridges, you’ll see the .280 Remington driving a140-grain bullet at a muzzle velocity between 2950 and 3050 fps, while the 7mm-08 Remington clocks in between 2800 and 2850 fps (Hornady’s Superformance being an exception at 2900 fps). Although it remains at its best as a cartridge for handloaders, today’s array of factory loads, though limited, are adequate for every purpose. Maybe target shooters shunned the .280 and it never got a chance to prove itself. .280 Rem vs. 7mm mag is for all intensive purposes the same debate as .308 vs. 30-06. Mag.• .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards• .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. However, it was introduced in a different time, when the ascendancy of the bolt action wasn’t as clear as it is today. Enjoy whatever choice you make. By 2000, much of the popularity of the .280 Remington had once again waned. Nosler and Hornady load both 7mm Remington Magnum and .280 Ackley ammunition; looking at their data you’ll see a difference of 90 to 100 fps between the two, with the belted 7mm Magnum giving the higher velocities (with a 162-grain Hornady ELD-X, the 7mm Mag. Despite initial hype sales weren’t fantastic, and some consumers got confused. The best non-magnum here, the.280 Remington demonstrated its greatest feature: balance. Mag.• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington• 7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington• .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum• .338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum• .30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington• .257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage• .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington• .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser• .416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum• .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield• .22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie• .300 Win. Parent Case: .30-03 Springfield 2. The 7mm Rem Mag is a fine cartridge but, in my opinion, is not a huge improvement over the .280 Rem in a bolt action rifle with a 24-inch barrel. ? Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2020 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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Die .280 Remington, auch bekannt als 7 mm Remington Express, wurde 1957 für die Gewehre von Remington Modelle 740, 760, 721 und 725 eingeführt. More Guns. I have never hunted elk with the .280, but I surely would, especially with 160 or 165-grain bullets. Click ← go back to visit the previous page. I am going to use this new rifle for general hunting. (25 at 4000) 8.5 Bullet: 7.2mm 4. I actually saw one blowup from this little mistake. Cartridge (Wb@MV) Rifle Weight: Recoil energy: Recoil velocity.17 HMR (17 at 2550) 7.5: 0.2: n/a.17 Hornet (20 at 3650) 8.5: 0.6: 2.0.17 Rem. At one point there was a move to rename it the 7mm-06 Remington, with hotter loads. Ron Spomer. runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). So although this seems very odd, Remington actually introduced the .280 Remington in their Model 740 semiautomatic, following with the Model 760 slide-action in this chambering. Conceptually think of the 7mm Rem Mag as a .338 Win Mag necked down to 7mm. the 7mm Remington Magnum is the most popular magnum cartridge in the world for a reason. Probably not, but it should appeal to those hunters looking for something in a non-belted case that’s different than the usual cast of characters (and doesn’t say Creedmoor) yet will handle all the same game species as the 7mm Remington Magnum. The .280 was never a big seller despite a long list of tangible advantages over the .270 and the ’06. Ackley himself said the .280 was “itself a very good cartridge and one of maximum capacity for best results with a 7mm bore.” He felt the 7mm Remington Magnum was an overbore design. Left to right: 7mm RSAUM, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, 7mm STW, 7mm RUM. Geschichte Allgemeines. It is a handloader's cartridge. The .280 Remington holds its own just fine with the new short 7mm magnums, and with good loads is very close to the 7mm Remington Magnum in performance. The 7mm/.284-inch bore diameter is considered—along with the uber-American .30 caliber—to be one of the best all-around choices for a big-game hunter who wants just one rifle. Mag. A further blow to the general acceptance of the .280 occurred after the release of the 7mm Remington Magnum in 1962, a cartridge which went on to become one of the most popular cartridges in American history. The .280 Remington deserves more respect. Since it uses a much larger case diameter, most rifle magazines will hold more .270 Winchester, .280 Remington, or .280 AI cartridges than 7mm Remington Magnum cartridges. If I were to convert one of the 7MM Mauser's to 7MM express (280 Rem), what would make the most sense to use, one of the 22 incher's or the 29"? The 280 AI is not the equal of a 7MM Rem Mag. I have killt Bull Elk, Mule Deer, Antelope, Whitetailed Deer, Mt. Does the perfect muley cartridge really exist? Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. The.280 is not a 7mm mag, any more than a 7mm rem mag is a 7mm STW. Almost needless to say, the cartridge has never let me down. 7mm-08, 280, 7mm WBY, 7mm rem mag, 7mm ultra mag, all shoot .284 cal bullets. Goat and Black Bear with bo'fum (urban youth word for "both of them"!)! I will use it in the midwest for Whitetail and out west for Mule Deer and Elk. The.280 Rem shoots a little slower, a little less flat, hits a little less hard, with a little less powder, with a little less recoil than the 7mm Rem Mag. Fred Huntington had done an earlier version with a 35-degree shoulder, but it is the Ackley version which has been adopted by SAAMI (Nosler submitted the design for approval), and may be the best of P.O. Maximale Auslasstung eines Standart Systems mit den Energiewerten fast einer 7mm Rem Magnum. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? Will it unseat the 7mm Remington Magnum? The 7mm Remington Magnum is capable of pushing 160-grain bullets to 3,000 and even 3,100 fps, which makes it an excellent choice for deer and antelope hunting. Based on the .30-06 case necked down to take a 7mm, or .284-inch bullet, the cartridge was introduced in 1957. Mag. I fully understand and accept its superb capabilities. Remington renamed the cartridge in late 1978 to 7mm-06 Remington but just before the end of the year they renamed it again calling it the 7 mm Express in an attempt to increase sales. Base: 12.0 mm From the first look, there are no significant differences between 7mm Remington Magnum and .30-06 Springfield when it comes to profile. The 280 is basically a 7mm-06 if that helps you think about the cartridges potential. 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