Cell? Or using Cell's telekinetically controlled Kienzann against him in the same fight. 1 Description: 2 Interlude 3 The Ginyu Force 3.1 Ginyu 3.2 Jeice 3.3 Burter 3.4 recoome 3.5 Guldo 4 Cooler's armored squadron 4.1 Slza 4.2 Dore 4.3 Neiz 5 Death Battle 6 Conclusion 7 Next time DBZ vs … Lets recap. -Acharyap28. Vegeta has consistently failed to beat opponents stronger than he is, why would that suddenly change? Still, relax. Given Ginyu and Burter's speed, and Guldo's time stop Oozaru would be rendered ineffective against the Ginyu Force as long as they know to cut off their tails. Lets see saiyan saga, he still got his strategy torn apart by a fatass, and in turn the saiyan child who clearly had a tail himself got transformed then started to try to kick his ass, and then when he decided to use the cut the tail strategy it bit him in the ass and gohan fell on top of him. The Ginyu Force's weakest member is almost 100 times stronger then that. episode of Death Battle. I’m guessing the Ginyu force know how to deal with Oozaru’s seeing as they’re pretty well versed in Saiyans. is this a joke? @vegandiet: That wasn't really a strategy that was pretty much vegeta using all his power. they had a couple different tactics, none working simply because he was way too powerful. Because the tactic was flawed to begin with. This is the end of the line!" "I will right the wrong you committed back on Namek!" "The heck is that? 1 Description: 2 Interlude 3 The Ginyu Force 3.1 Ginyu 3.2 Jeice 3.3 Burter 3.4 recoome 3.5 Guldo 4 Cooler's armored squadron 4.1 Slza 4.2 Dore 4.3 Neiz 5 Death Battle 6 Conclusion 7 Next time DBZ vs … Buu saga i already elaborated on. I agree that tactics don't mean a lot if theres a large power difference. I'm not worried about it." Buu saga? Actually, if Raditz were to go Oozaru he'd outclass Captain Ginyu's power level by 30.000. vs. Vegeta (Super Saiyan) "Something's different, but I know that's you, Vegeta! Then intimidating Android 20 into fleeing, so that he would have time to recover his energy. Albeit, it was not planned, raw power destroyed any move Cell had. Goku's power doesn't diminish unlike Freiza's, all he did was wait him out until he was weak. I dunno, a lot, it's like asking me how many times they fired a Ki blast. Dragon Ball Xenoverse : Goku Y Vegeta (Saga Namek) VS FUERZA GINYU ! 2. Assuming the PLs fall in line with each of them, do they stand a chance? But after a long and ferious argument in New Ginyu Force, where Vegeta was in total rebellion against the leaders, Piccollo showed up, some how revived and took leadership of New Ginyu Force bacl. The blast in Gero's hand dissipated and, just as quickly as it had struck him, the object zipped backwards. Though physically some of the strongest individuals in the universe, the Ginyu Force's members delight in coming up with strange poses, betting candy on fights, and playing Janken. Each member of the Giyu force(bar Guido)shits on this version of Vegeta. May 12, 2017 If memory server me correct Vegeta tried to throw a dragonball far way so no one could find it and Burter chased it down and brought it back before Vegeta could make a full turn around after throwing the dragonball. "Bring it on, weakling!" ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. It could be. However, the body that gets destroyed isn't Ginyu's - it's Tagoma's, who gets tricked into triggering the Body Swap technique. 17 and 18 were beasts back in the Early Android Saga. "Ginyu Special Squadron") is a team of five mercenaries who are hired by Frieza. After changing bodies with Goku, Ginyu somehow manages to learn how to use Goku's body perfectly...not needing to change bodies with anyone again, he slaughters all the Z-Warriors and Vegeta. It is not like Batman fighting Superman.Batman, no matter what tactic he uses, can't simply buff himself to higher levels than Superman, nor can he gain more strength, or the ability to fly. Goku's PL was massively overshadowing theirs, is why. Using your enemy's overconfidence to goad them into taking a powerful attack head on is what I meant. Now watch as i freeze time! @deathhero61: Taunts and praying on psychological vulnerabilities isn't a strategy? Guldo isn't in the Ginyu Force for nothing. Otherwise, Dodoria and Zarbon could be a part of the force, as Frieza doesn't question their loyalty whatsoever. "I'll handle you myself!" Then yeah lets take those into consideration. 13:27. Vegeta attacks Frieza's spaceship and kills the last of Frieza's guards, but fails to find the Dragon Balls when the guards refuse to tell him where they are. So I think Goku used the same power against the Ginyu Force and Ginyu himself. A better match-up will be Sternritter vs Kaguya. The Namekian smirked. Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta would have been wiped out in seconds. I asked. Given Ginyu and Burter's speed, and Guldo's time stop Oozaru would be rendered ineffective against the Ginyu Force as long as they know to cut off their tails. It's a hypothetical topic, I made it clear that I was making assumptions here. They are the secondary antagonists of the Namek Saga, while Frieza's Army serve as the main group of antagonists. Being a member of the Ginyu Force, he has the Ginyu Force symbol on one of his armor's chest plates. Captain Ginyu (ギニュー) was the leading member of an elite mercenary platoon, the eponymous Ginyu Force. Ginyu force also have a time manipulator and a body stealer. Obviously Vegito luring Buu into absorbing him so he could save his friends involved no planning. Vegeta's earlier arrogant mistake doesn't diminish the fact that he came up with a viable strategy to take out an opponent much stronger than himself that would have worked perfectly if Cell were not able to regenerate. It is a good comparison. It consists of five powerful warriors: Recoome, Burter, Jeice, Guldo, and Captain Ginyu, the leader. Captain Ginyu is listed as merely 5-B while post third near death power increase Vegeta, second near death power boost Gohan, and 1st form Frieza are listed as high 5-A. So anytime Reed Richards or Dr. Doom pulls strings to acquire a powerful enough tool to win them the day it isn't a strategy or plan? Unless the only measurement of working is the enemy being defeated then and their. The saiyans get slaughtered. They stomp. But i'll add that if vegeta wasn't stupid enough to allow himself to get controlled, goku and vegeta and gohan together would have been enough to take down fat buu at the time of the situation.And vegeta would have had plenty of chances to train, regardless of the gap between them at the moment. The force of whatever had stricken Gero was enough to double him over and smash him into the ground. @misterguyman: as that said in the anime or manga? So having Vegeta stall Buu, using the Kai's as a telepathic relay to co-ordinate movements from multiple parties light years apart is now not strategy, because the end Goal was to acquire a powerful enough energy to defeat Buu? Ginyu has 120,000. Also in Dragonball Roshi states that Goku outclasses him in terms of power but not necessarily skill, he says this after Goku has defeated King Piccolo, someone Roshi had no chance against. Excluding Goku/Vegeta, could the z fighters have won vs nappa in sayian saga? Face it, as soon as someone's PL is higher than someone else's, they become incredibly OP for almost no reason to anyone who isn't higher or equal to said person. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Ginyu calls out to Jeice for assistance, but Vegetacomes out of hiding to intercept and battle Jeice alone. However, the two kids that are with him may be even stronger. episode of Death Battle. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. This is Sayian Saga Vegeta whom is way weaker than he was in the Namek saga. 1:42. Gohan is a good example of power>tactics. He is the leader of the elite Ginyu Force.Ginyu was an elite minion of Frieza that was called upon to recover the Dragon Balls from Vegeta.His Ginyu Force brutally outmatched Vegeta, Gohan, and Krillin until Goku came. And all Vegeta had that could combat against them was a half Saiyan brat and a Earthling, Vegeta knew their chances of victory was slim but their chances at surviving were lower than that. So Frieza gives them permission to destroy Krillin and Gohan, but he wants Vegeta alive. Izuku yawned as he stretched, however one short green member of this force wasn't happy about Izuku ignoring them. Each Ginyu could probably solo them both save for maybe Guldo. Vegeta did nothing meaningful in the Moro arc. Ginyu's power level is a little less than one fourth of Frieza's first form. He was last seen during the Great Saiyaman Saga in the anime while still trapped in his frog form. Perfect!" Otherwise, they're doomed. And his entire fight before Super Saiyan using his ability to hide his presence to gain momentary upperhands on a being that far outstripped his current power. Is. Ginyu is an alien that possesses the rare ability to swap bodies. Back for the Dead: Predictably, when Ginyu finally gets to return to a humanoid body, Vegeta slays him ruthlessly in the very same manner he murdered the other members of the Ginyu Force, finally completing the set. Or Ginyu body changes with him. Alot also fail because the opponent is too powerful. You mean the time where he would have finished the Cell saga way earlier were it not for Cell's ability to regenerate? The Ginyu Force are an elite group of fighters who work for Frieza in Dragonball Z. After a few years, Ginyu has mastered the use of the body he now owns, and with a little bit of training, he unlocks a new level of power, challenging Lord Frieza into a fight to show him his powers. Guldo time freezes, one of them cuts off his tail, and STOMP. And using previous knowledge of stopping Oozaru's to cut off Vegeta's tail. Goku triumphantly explains that this is because Ginyu does not know Goku's secret of uniting body and soul. Can he kill them with his 10x increase when in the saiyan saga before they can destroy the moon or his tail? Gangusbentek. I think that point was before Goku fought Ginyu. "This will be the end of you!" Inside the ship, Vegeta uses the opportunity to wash up and gets changed, amazed at ho… Greater power, bigger target. Piccolo quickly regrouped and hovered over the downed Gero. The only one to escape his wrath was Captain Ginyu, who accidentally switched bodies with a frog. One would assume that elite members of Freeza's army would have some knowledge on each other. @nickthedevil: ginyu defeated goku despite him having more PL, so tactics does work, well at least techniques does. GULDO ES ULTRA PODEROSO. "The Dragon Ball Super anime is lowering the IQ of the characters so the DB fan base can relate to them better." Clearly Dabura using the evil in Vegeta's heart to accelerate his and Babidi's plan's was not any kind of strategy or tactic. Chapter 24: Rematch – Bardock Force vs. Ginyu Force. @deathhero61: No, but they did him wonders the entire Saiyan Saga, Freeza Saga, and Buu Saga. Now with Piccollo dead, Berter takes up leadership and plans to revenge the death of her dead comrade. KeiiiyaAa" Guldo screeched as everyone except the ginyu force, Frieza and Izuku stood in place not even moving, Izuku walked towards Guldo. Ginyu Force can still win even though Vegeta is stronger than them. "Oi! vegeta should lose here. Tactics don't matter in dragon ball, the only reason the heroes survive is PIS, they all should have died a hundred times over without all of the convent power ups and villain stupidity. If you're the kinda poster that starts his arguments with lol then you're not worth debating. Sufficient Velocity Bringer of Bigatons. The force of whatever had stricken Gero was enough to double him over and smash him into the ground. Meanwhile, Nail continue… Goku wasn't just strong but he was really fast. Some of the recent references to the Ginyu Force's stylisti… Started this for fun but now I'm debunking all the trolls. Its also about absolute loyalty to Frieza.And poses/formations of course. I like how this has turned into a debate on if tactics are viable in DBZ or not despite the final fight in DBZ ending up entirely on the use of strategy once Goku's energy crapped out. He was killed by Vegeta after swapping bodies with Tagomain Resurrection 'F' Saga. The Ginyu Force (恐 きょう 怖 ふ のギニュー 特 とく 戦 せん 隊 たい, Kyōfu no Ginyū Tokusentai, lit. Beerus replied. Do you mean Namek Saga Vegeta? Your ignoring the most important member! Fact of the matter is, these strategies fail plenty of times over because once a character is of a higher power level, it makes everything moot. In the anime, several of Frieza's soldiers are located at Frieza's spaceship and Captain Ginyu holds try outs involving them for a spot on the Ginyu Force. So just because some strategies have a specific Goal that gives them the win we discount it as being strategy? Not only that he must have been pretty stupid to forget that Goku's son was still in his development stages so he had a tail as well. Things do end up too powerful for tactics to work. Great ape vegeta at this time has a power level of 180,000. 'gotta go Ginyu 9/10. Chapter 66: Vegeta vs Android 18. Dodoria's power level was 23-25,000 range and Zarbon's in the 30,000 range IIRC. His strategies aren't that great. Vegeta knew this was not a group of rookies, the Ginyu force was the best team of fighters in Frieza's possession. Back for the Dead: Predictably, when Ginyu finally gets to return to a humanoid body, Vegeta slays him ruthlessly in the very same manner he murdered the other members of the Ginyu Force, finally completing the set. Such as, removing Android 19's hands so he could hit him with energy attacks. Would the Ginyu Force know to try such a thing? The power gap would only widen if it were Nappa or Vegeta … ... Not that it matters because as I said, this should have been Spriggan 12 vs Ginyu Force if anything. @vegandiet: Admittedly I'm not sure. Burter cut off Vegeta tail before he recognize it. Jesus Christ, a paraplegic would read that and gain the ability to walk solely for the purpose of walking away from this thread. And we know its possible to remove vegtas tail which would set him back to base. The power gap would only widen if it were Nappa or Vegeta … Meanwhile, Captain Ginyu and Jeice fly towards the ship, with Ginyu showing off his new power and speed in Goku's body. However, the body that gets destroyed isn't Ginyu's - it's Tagoma's, who gets tricked into triggering the Body Swap technique. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Vegeta looks around and acquires some new battle armor. I was trying to find the scene where Yajirobe cut off Vegeta's tail, to see if he figured out to do so on his own, or if he tried it after seeing Gohan and Krillin attempt to, but I can't find the manga anywhere online. Or Ginyu body changes with him. Remember the Ginyu Force were villains for Vegeta and Goku who are very far ahead of Gohan/Krillin. Also Ginyu Force had much better feats then the Spice boys. Technically Goku went up to 32,000 in his fight with Vegeta. This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Naruto doesn't even remotely compare, and the entire Akatsuki is getting speed blitzed to death. The anime makes it much more explicit though. Lol, explain how Broly was trashing the Z-fighters then. if goku can then as well vageta with same power. Even Piccolo killed a main bad guy (Raditz). MillicentTrent. I just assumed this would be basic knowledge. vs. Frieza "This is the power of the Ginyu Force!" Especially when talking about the Majins. Because if that is your measurement of a strategy working then Punches and Ki blasts also never work in the show because each and every one doesn't immediately end the fight. This scaling is incorrect. Vegeta pulls out all the stops, but he is no match for Recoome. 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